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Many years ago I had a great recipe for a powdered incense that was self-igniting.
I have since lost it. I know there was a direct connection between the amount of powdered ingredients versus the amount of saltpeter that was added. The incense did not need a charcoal to burn.
If anyone knows the appropriate correlation please let me know!
I have since lost it. I know there was a direct connection between the amount of powdered ingredients versus the amount of saltpeter that was added. The incense did not need a charcoal to burn.
If anyone knows the appropriate correlation please let me know!
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Re: self-igniting incense...
Mon, July 9, 2007 - 10:06 AMOne of my favorite powdered blends comes from San Francisco's Sword and the Rose
that can be piled and shaped and lit and it smokes very well. I just got a batch when on a recent excursion to the Bay area and spoke to the maker but not begging any secrets from him. He did say there was some salt peter in the ingredients.
When making my own incenses, Ive never been one to use salt peter although Im not fearful that it is toxic or unmagikal. I prefer to make pellets (as did the Egyptians) rather than cones or sticks or having to use coals.
Nor do I tend to measure and maintain ratios as Ive found the ingredients often provide their own clues as what to add. And I must confess the concept of self-ignition scares me as someone who works with the fire element but thats probably my own linguistical hang-up
That being said . . .
Ive found that substances like Camphor (powdered finely and blended well) can create a continuous burning effect ie. smoldering.
Other additives Ive found helpful in this regard are ground Charcoal (preferably from a witchie sourse like a lightning strike or the remains of the maypole from last year) and also Pinon infused wood.
Pinon is my mainstay as a base as they are abundant here in the high desert. Although Pinon can be trickier to work with as it can be found in a wider range of consistencies each with properties that are useful in balancing out any particular batch - some more on the wood side of the spectrun and some more pure resin. The straight up sap (ie resin that beads on the trees) has different properties than wood (collected from fallen trees revealing the inside matter) some of which infused with resins due to wounds, bugs or rot. This more woody type I have found powders well, is less sticky when grinding and sifting and allows for a continuous burn with phenol type smell to the smoke.
But the camphor and the charcoal seem to work well in achieving a continuous smoldering effect.
angel food for thought,
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Tue, July 17, 2007 - 1:56 PMI'm new at incense magic. I recently saw some charcoal "disks" wrapped up like a roll of coins at a metaphysical shop. How do you use them in terms of burning with incense? What else are they good for? -
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Mon, February 2, 2009 - 11:03 PMIt is very simple to make self burning incense. It is merely the combination and percetages of ingredients, reduced to fine powder. When you try to find one cheap thing to put the other ingredients into, or if you are trying to just use resin, then of course, you will always need another source of ignition to burn the incense. a good incense that is self burning will be composed of bark, charcoals, roots, woods, oils, little bits of resins, bamboo or coconut husk. In hindi incense making, its refered to as masala, or "mixture'.
the addition of powdered water soluble incense resins in small amount (like acacia or tragacanth) in the form of a thick paste, to the body of an incense, (assuming it is self burning) allows you to make a dough of the fragrant ingredients, and roll into cones or whatever shape you like. saltpetre and other types of ignition chemicals need never be used to have a well burning incense.
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Re: Questions about self-igniting incense...
Tue, February 3, 2009 - 7:05 AMWylundts Book of Incense has some great recipes to make self burning incense, stick and cone incense, and scented briquets. -
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Wed, February 4, 2009 - 2:12 AMMakko powder is by far my favorite ingredient to use for helping have an even burn
it doesn't have much of a scent
though it's use for forming and molding the incense into shapes
are definitely bar none
as it's difficult for me to get my hands on Makko powder as I usually have to order it
and it isn't the cheapest ingredient to acquire
I prefer to use a combination of powder woods and resins
the ratio I find is similar to 3-4 parts woods
1 part resin (this has a dual action involved one for binding the ingredients for shape and cohesion and then of course the scent)
depending on the herbs and other ingredients added it may require more
I tend to use resin sparingly only because of the heaviness it brings to an incense blend
thus when I add my liquids I massage them thouroughly
and if the ball of "dough" holds together it is done
furthermore once you pinch a small piece and it can hold its shape it's definitely done
otherwise I add more resin (or Makko)
sprinkling in small amount and kneading afterwards
it's important to not add too much either because it can become dense and it won't burn or hold it's cherry/ember
honestly it is a game of trial and error and you have to develop kind of extra sense or intuition or feel
also some woods are better as a base than others
sandalwood generally are ideal because of it's consistancy
cedar is awesome though it can be somewhat airy and it's more fiberous
juniper and pines are similar to cedar
Cypress can alter the amount of time and duration of the incense burn
and another ideal base wood could be Agarwood/Aloeswood though it is generally more diificult to find and more expensive
I have tried salt peter and discontinued it's use because i found it too toxic as it burned my finger tips
i have used charcoals in incense which makes it black and burn very well, though have only tried the self igniting bamboo version
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:30 AMsaltpeter need never be used. keep in mind when one uses it, one is inhaling and anti-aphrodisiac, and can make some peoples lungs seize up. saltpeter is used when the bamboo is so poor of a grade it wont stay lit (as a single incense/ingredient) or when sawdust is used, instead of aromatic woods. i repeat, no need for ignition ingredients if your porportions are correct and GROUND INTO A FINE DUST. not coarse powder- dust. use a coffee grinder or chinese herb grinder, seive the powder, regrind what does not pass thru the seive, and seive again, until all ingredients have passed thru. virtually anything will self burn if it is of this fine a consistency, as long as it is a blend of ingredients.
dont need more that 5+% of resin in an incense,
good to have 20% assorted botanicals (flowers, roots, barks leaves)
the majority rest of aromatic woods (use three kinds)
make acacia or trag gum paste (this was used by the ancient egyptians, and others). add a tablespoon to water slowly, about a cup or cup and a half, and stir and blend well until it is a paste. add a spoonful at a time to well dampened incense powder, approx. per one half-to one cup powder. knead and incorporate like it is bread dough. If you get it right, you can make sculptures out of it. one should not need to coax the powder to stay together, or roll it gently. it should roll like kids play doh. its the oldest technique for making incense. if done this way, one can have incense cones, for example, that smell like new 20-25 years later, when burned. i know. using this tech seals in the scent, so long as it is kept out of sun and overtly hot places, like window sills! -
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:44 AMi love the way salpeter sparkles when its burning but the heavy smoke i can do without. Experimenting with my incense is on my list of Summer Do's this year.
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Sun, February 8, 2009 - 10:28 PM''Wylundts Book of Incense has some great recipes to make self burning incense, stick and cone incense, and scented briquets. ''
thats an ancient and antique book that tells you how to assemble other premade items. -
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Mon, February 9, 2009 - 6:39 AMthats an ancient and antique book that tells you how to assemble other premade items.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I'm not sure what book you are talking about but the one i have is a paperback that was published in 1996 and has recipes for all the stuff i listed.
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Re: Questions about self-igniting incense...
Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:10 AMthere was a book on incense and artificial essences published around the beginning of the 19th century. it also carried the name Wylundt.
thats what i was talking about. sorry about the confusion. -
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:31 AMnow i bet you are more confused, lol.
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:33 AMthere was a book on incense and artificial essences published around the beginning of the 19th century. it also carried the name Wylundt.
thats what i was talking about. sorry about the confusion. <<<<<<<<<<<<<,
ooohh, sounds like it would be a great read. I googled it real quick, but i don't have time to read through everything right now (i'm trying to get to work, blech) and of course when i google it, i get mostly my book
Any links you could hook me up with? ") -
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 8:40 PMThain could you give me any sources for the Shinese Herb Grinder
I haven't been able to find anything besides a coffee grinder
and many woodsy items are diffuclt to powder to the consistency I prefer -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 12:20 PMIn america, i have found that darn near any chinese pharmacy can order them.
you may want to contact my friend at ancientway.com, and tell him travis sent ya, and ask about how to get a good herb grinder. there are smaller ones, as well as ones large enouph to accomodate a large business. the blades are very large and thick, so that they can even grind a handful of small rocks, if nessisary.
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