Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

topic posted Sat, November 3, 2007 - 10:05 PM by  offlineMacMorrighan
Hmmm... Hey, does anyone here ever craft their own potion formulas anymore (either water-based or oil-vased)? Something I've noticed, which gives me cause for concern, is that I rarely--if ever!--read literature by contemporary Witches emphesizing the brewing of potions; nor are there many original potions on the 'Net (what there is, however, has merely been cribbed from other books!). This is why I am presently culling together various strands of research to teach a class on the subject of potion-crafting, as well as writing an exhaustive book on the topic! My only concern, of course, is deciding upon what to charge for the service of a class. Many Pagan classes by Witches I see advertised on-line command more than a few hundred dollars per/hour; even a local Reclaiming HPs that owns and opperates our local occult store charges such relatively extravagent fees. Yet, there's the fact that I'd feel both "weird" and a bit "bad" taking such sums of money from people even though it'd be a quality education (stuff they wouldn't necessarily be able to learn from most books available!). After all, I'm just a big ol' sawfty (not to mention I'm a Socialist at heart!). Moreover, I wouldn't want to make it prohibitively expensive--and unless I am mistaken, classes that command more than $100 would tend to do that, I think (unless I am mistaken).

Though, just put of curousity, if you do: Do you actually blend yourr own Potions? And, should you not (which is fine!): Would a class and/or in-depth book on the subject interest you?

Moreover, for such a course, what would be your expectations, just out of curiousity? Anything particular you would love to have touched upon in such a class if such a class were offered to you at your local Pagan venues (bearing in mind that this class will be offered, unless I am invited to teach elsewhere during a visit, to my own local Pagan peers).

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan
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MacMorrighan
Iowa
  • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

    Sun, November 4, 2007 - 4:45 PM
    The only contemporary writer I can think of is Daniel Schulke. He wrote Ars Philtron, which unfortunately I do not own. His books are all works of art and insanely expensive, but he is the ubergenius of potions.
    If it were me, I would say a clever idea would be to bring some ingredients and nice potion bottles to play with and everyone would be able to bring home a simple potion at the end of the class. i think that makes the fee more tolerable.
    • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

      Sun, November 4, 2007 - 6:03 PM
      do you mean potions for ingesting?
      i love the idea, and have never heard of anyone teaching it. I also like the idea of a hands-on workshop during which participants get to make a potion of their own.

      I too am often put off by what people are charging for similar classes. I suppose that is an unfortunate side-effect of living by your own hand vs. having a day job that pays the bills, and this is the challenge every creative person faces. We all want to ask for what we feel our time and energy are worth, but the bigger picture is our Divine Will and doing what we feel called to do regardless of the compensation we receive. Ultimately if we are all doing our highest work, our Life's work, that alone is compensation for sharing our teachings--because we are fulfilling our destiny as healers, shamans, teachers, guides, etc.. But of course we have to eat and pay the rent like everyone else...so a balance must be found somewhere.

      When i've done astrology classes, i have taken into consideration the cost of renting the space (whether or not you are actually paying that, it could be hypothetical as spaces cost money), how much i feel my teaching time is worth per hour, the cost of materials and advertising, and then i divide that between the number of people i could reasonably expect to attend. You can choose a low estimate and a high estimate, say 5-10 people, to obtain the range of how much money the class will bring in for you total. So 5 people paying $45 each would bring in $225, 10 people would bring in $450. If you are uncomfortable with the lower of the two figures once you subtract your costs, then you need to charge more. 5 people at $150 brings in $750 which is quite a lot of money, and in my opinion, to charge this much you should be offering a weekend workshop along with a book and some snacks.

      Good luck with this idea, and please let us know how it turns out. It looks like you have some homework to do before you're ready, but you are inspiring me to get together some classes of my own...so thanks!

      m7
      • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

        Sun, November 4, 2007 - 8:24 PM
        Yes, Madame7, I will be touching upon consumible potions; but only briefly, and probably as love potions as herbal wine-infusions; or adding such to foods as flavour in small amounts.

        And, thanks for your thoughts! Yeah, I'm kinda' funny about money, but...a local Reclaiming HPs who owns and opperate our local (and *popular*) occult store charges more than $300/student to teach a Wicca 101 type class, although she requires "The Spiral Dance" as a prerequesite to the class. Personally, I can't see charging that much money for something that you could learn from most easily accessible books on the topic.
    • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

      Sun, November 4, 2007 - 8:06 PM
      Daniel Schulke? If you have a moment this week, would you please spend a few moments explaining to me what makes him, in your opinion, "the uber-genius of potions"--please? ;o)

      And, yes, having each student take home a number of potions was already a personal mandate--I want it to be very "hands on", so that they can develope more personal "esteem" in their creative capabilities; even if it allows them to learn from their mistakes; but also to develope their sense for scents, and record what they smell like to them, alongside some of my own notes in this respect (after all, what I smell when using orange peel powder in a potion might vary from person to person based upon their own sniffer!).

      Sadly, however, I have always had a hard time locating a source of bottles (with lids and stoppers of some sort) that seem to be in any way appropriate for potions. Often they are simply ugly, too small, or far too plain, and even too ornate and expensive, etc.! Other than that, I'd love to find a source for bottles (in every colour of the rainbow) that are simple; elagent; inexpensive; and can hold between 8 and 12 ounces of potion. (I'm always open to recommendations of sites and soiurces!) Presently I'm looking for some a bottle made from ruby-red glass for my formula for Protection Potion, and have had no luck!

      Take Care,
      Wade
  • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

    Sun, November 4, 2007 - 8:27 PM
    Hey James, because there are potentially many fascets ro be discussed in the art/science of potion-crfting, I have always thought that such a clss would well exceed merely one one hour class, but would be a full course covering a number of weeks for an hour or so at a sitting, if possible. What do you think? This wouldn't be too much to expect from potential students, do you suppose?
    • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

      Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:36 AM
      i got a case of blue bottles for my body sprays at Zenith Supplies here in Seattle. I looked at their website and it doesn't show that they sell the bottles online, but perhaps if you called and asked they would consider shipping them. I don't remember what i paid, but i know that i got a case discount.

      m7
  • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

    Tue, November 13, 2007 - 11:19 AM
    I very much love crafting potion and elixirs for the use of ritual work. If I want something simple for the ritual cup that I can make in the moment, I create an water based herbal infusion. If I am working with something with more intent and long term committment and dedication to the intent is needed, I will use alcohol as my extraction method. Also careful consideration goes into understanding what constituents are needed to extract from the herb. Upon doing so, I incorporate an alcohol based extraction formulary as part of a ritual, which then needs to 'cook' for a spell of time before it can be philtered for use. I often mix these 'potions' with cordials or melomels that I have also crafted myself and use for specific ritual intent.

    For the Autumnal Equinox this year I made a wine infusion that turned out quite nice and potent.

    As for what to charge for classes I think it depends on how much time you put into their creation, what type of audience they are for, how long the class is, and what materials you plan to use/supply in the class.

    ~*) Cat
    • Re: Potion-Crafting & Teaching Fees?!

      Tue, November 13, 2007 - 11:53 AM
      There are a number of online bottle places, like www.specialtybottles.com that would be good if you were ordering a fair number of bottles. I guess I am still not really clear on your intent for this class. It seems you would have to narrow it down quite a bit since the subject of potions is so vast. Doing a tisane style water infusion seems easiest. Once you start infusing into alcohol, brandy, wine, rum and so on it can become much more complex, and many of those infusions can take weeks or months, as has already been commented on. But I do like the idea since so few people take the time to do the complicated infusions anymore.

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